Abstract
A lecture-performance that doesn’t use statements, only questions, exploring the relationship between dramaturgy and artistic research.
Jess and Katalin sit amongst the audience, apart from but visible to each other, with cordless microphones in-hand. Their voices are amplified and coming from speakers placed throughout the space.
KATALIN
Jess, is it our turn?
JESS
Are you full of apprehension, sitting comfortably, Katalin? A dramaturg amongst artistic researchers?
KATALIN
Are you here as a researcher?
JESS
Do I have to choose? And if so, is the choice only between being a dramaturg and a researcher?
KATALIN
Is there a binary?
JESS
What is a third-space between the two that we might want to create? Am I getting ahead of us? Is there value in considering or leaning into the binary? Perhaps at this moment, it might be a useful exercise to define ourselves: dramaturg or artistic researcher?
KATALIN
Isn’t that futile?
JESS
How do you perceive the relationships? How do you identify and perform your practice?
KATALIN
Aren’t dramaturgs historically regarded to be those who do research? Isn’t this assigned as one of our primary roles to seek and create knowledge?
JESS
If we identify as dramaturgs with that as the default, does that in some ways make our actions subservient to the project and the people we are working with?
KATALIN
Don’t you rather prefer bringing creative “mulch” to the process? Or even, do you sometimes bring material and ideas or propose actions that rub against the perceived boundaries of that artistic project, create problems or sabotage perceptions about knowledge? Do you wander, do you stammer in order to catalyse something unexpected?
JESS
When do I bring mulch to a project and how mineralised is the soil? Is the project vibrant, open to a collaboration that supports the development of new and unknown matter in the room? Or is the mulch dry and layered as sediment for non-researchers to excavate and activate?
Are there such people as non-researchers?
KATALIN
Why is it that when we talk about dramaturgy, we end up using loads of metaphors?
Is it the case with artistic research also?
JESS
Are there ways to rehearse an answer to this question? How might we develop a lab, arrive at an apparatus, prototype a process to answer it?
KATALIN
Could the use of metaphors be a way of accessing different areas where knowledge might be located, which are beyond the reach of linear, deductive, academic reasoning?
JESS
How might we create a place that contains diverse bodies of knowledge? A process that invites open-ending questions?
KATALIN
How would you devise an ideal space for thinking through doing? Through, in-between, circular, sideways, outside – what is the direction of artistic research?
JESS
Can I answer in this way? Do you think about feedback loops in dramaturgy?
KATALIN
Can we start over? How do you think about artistic research? How do you identify and perform your practice?
JESS
May I define myself as an artistic researcher if the central question I work with is: How do the techniques of our individual dramaturgical practices influence the design of our research and the shape of its output?
KATALIN
Are you then considering artistic research a modality that embraces not-knowing, lingers in liminalities and disrupts the taken for granted?
Aren’t our disciplines sharing the same relational space here?
JESS
If they are,how do our dramaturgical and artistic research processes (mindsets, heartsets) support the materialisation of research?
KATALIN
When is it that dramaturgy is emplaced in research processes?
JESS
What if we were to bring forward the observation that dramaturgy and artistic research are intra-actions? What if we were to focus on the materialities (qualities) of research?
Can we start over?
What can we find in the differences between our disciplines that can move forward our work?
KATALIN
What are the structural and creative openings that dramaturgy can do for research work? Or research for dramaturgy?
Can we start over?
How might critical and experimental thinking help destabilise institutional and cultural biases around the practice of research?
JESS
What are our blindspots? Where are our blindspots?How can we challenge the ideas about theplaces for knowledge production?
KATALIN
How do we confront this with the work of actions?
JESS
What can we do with the etymology of research – the repeating of a quest; the constellations orconcatenation and expanding of patterns?
KATALIN
Is recognising patterns a way of acknowledging repetitions in movement… of thoughts… of time…? […] Can silence be repeated? […] What is behind the silence of dramaturgs?
JESS
Can I have a moment of silence to think about that?
KATALIN
[…] Isn’t it as if… […]?
JESS
Is it as if or is it in actuality silence or moments of silence that allow the research to take place, take position in the body? And does that or can that lead us to a constant motion of artistic research?
KATALIN
How is your body working in this moment?
JESS
Shall we swap places?
They move and swap seats. Move again and swap seats. Move one more time and swap seats, whilst reading out the short dialogues below.
KATALIN
Perspectives?
JESS
Perceptions?
KATALIN
Focalizations?
JESS
Experiences?
They land in new spots amongst the audience.
KATALIN
Privileges?
How shall we decolonise our disciplines?
JESS
How do we want to bring attention into our gathering?
KATALIN
When is the time for action? How can artistic research and dramaturgy help to bring about those changes (societal, political, economic, ecological) that are much needed and are already overdue? Can we really make a difference?
JESS
Is it too much to expect this from our disciplines?
KATALIN
In a period of global transition can we afford to expect less? What is at stake for our disciplines if we ignore the urgency of our time?
JES
How do we want to bring attention into our gathering?
KATALIN
How can our gathering bring new, different perspectives into motion?
JESS
What did critical thinking fail to do up until now, that can be brought into action?
KATALIN
What is your urgent question, Jess, that you hope to be explored or maybe even answered here?
JESS
Can we begin to ask our cohort this question?
KATALIN
Will somebody take my microphone?
They offer their microphones to the audience and wait for questions.
JESS
Maybe we stop now and let our questions linger here for a while?
Contributors
Jess Applebaum
Jess Applebaum is a dramaturg and artistic researcher, based in New York City. Currently she is getting her PhD in the Theatre and Performance Program at CUNY Grad Center. Jess was working as part of the CARPA8 Conference Committee.
Katalin Trencsényi
Katalin Trencsényi is an award-winning dramaturg, theatre-maker, and researcher, working in the fields of contemporary theatre, dance, and performance. Based between London and Helsinki, she is working as a lecturer on the CDPR programme at the University of the Arts Helsinki.